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4 days 10 hours ago
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definitely major progress
definitely not a game changer
definitely not affect books makers 

to say bet fair in the UK has tanked would be conservative. 

at 1 min fore the next at Pontefract £181k traded. 

15 years ago that figure is £581k

20 years ago close to a million

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4 days 9 hours ago
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Even £181k is not bad for one race in the UK when they have 28 races in total today.
Look at us here.....we have 8 races in total and our win pool for race 6 was around £7k

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4 days 9 hours ago
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definitely major progress
definitely not a game changer
definitely not affect books makers 

to say bet fair in the UK has tanked would be conservative. 

at 1 min fore the next at Pontefract £181k traded. 

As it stands, in the south african context, its a game changer.
even as recent as  the 1st race in pontefract today, favourite is 1.12 for first 3 in south africa, 1,25 on betfair.


15 years ago that figure is £581k

20 years ago close to a million

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4 days 9 hours ago
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Are you using the sa link frodo ?
Yip - when I try to log on it tells me 'Please note your account is not active. Please submit FICA documents' - but when I click on 'FICA self service portal', it comes up with a page FICA Self Service' and then I'm asked to submit  ID Number / Account Number / Cellphone Number - but when I enter cell phone number I am told    Error Your account is closed, please contact our helpline helpline@betfairsa.co.za' 
 

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4 days 8 hours ago
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I think we got to be worried when laying horses has been allowed in SA.
We have so many rogues in our racing policed by a bunch with no transparency.
We definitely gonna have some dodgy dealings going on laying horses.
 

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4 days 7 hours ago
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Yes, from a price point / perspective it makes a change, but most punters dont care, most punters dont price search anyways. Most bet with one or 2 of the biggest firms. 
Betfairs biggest problem is the 80/20 theory and it their case more like 5/95 and what to do next. With 95% of the punters feeding 5% winners they had to undergo changes and even Betfair Sa is part of that change. 

Betfair needs a constant ever growing group of losers to feed the minority winners. The winners can be taxed via premium charges and data charges (and were) but they took the gazillions from the losers for nearly 2 decades. 

Thats why Betfair went abroad for more losers, starting with the merging markets/ sub continent all this done via licenses BUT that quickly went south when the license holders started holding stake back and sending the min through to betfair. 

So how long before the SA market  does the same? DO you think the man on the street cares about 1.12 or 1.28 no he takes treble (or more selections) to win R10k 

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Re: Wow!

4 days 6 hours ago
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Laying horses is a dangerous game

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4 days 5 hours ago
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100%

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4 days 1 hour ago
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LOL - AND BACKING THEM IS NOT?

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3 days 16 hours ago - 3 days 16 hours ago
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Laying horses is a dangerous game

Im glad this comment was made because to me this is one and the same whether you back or lay.
and this is what i was trying to tell V Moodley, in  a meeting with him on this topic.
i have been playing on the exchanges for the last 15 years, and i am a trader with sports betting especially.
when i compare prices on local markets compared to exchanges, ive got to wait and risk at least a further 10 minutes into a soccer match before I can trade on that match with local prices, compared to exchanges where i can take my profits almost immediately 

in a 3 horse race, I lay number 1 , essentially i backed number 2 and 3 in that race, and conversely if i backed number 1 , i've laid  no 2 and 3 in that race.
now to tell me laying is illegal in  South Africa is nonsense , because in the above scenario ive just done that.
so why make life difficult for me in bigger number fields to do the same.

well  we wont get into percentage the local bookie is betting to , in order  for me to win , but thats another issue seperately.
if bookies bet to 100 % backing or dutching is the same as laying a horse.

so whats the whohaa of laying.
and he agreed with me, its one and the same if in a 10 horse race i backed 9 horses , effectively ive laid the the other horse.
this just made life simpler for the punter.


 
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3 days 15 hours ago - 3 days 15 hours ago
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But it's much easier to win laying a horse when you have inside information that the horse is not fit and only going to the races for a training gallop.
Or when you know that the horse is aimed for a certain race and doesn't want to go close so it doesn't get a MR increase.
If we think that doesn't happen in horse racing then we delusional.
But as you where saying racingG it's a great way to police our racing watching who's laying what but do you have confidence in the NHRA to actually use this information to stamp out corrupt practices?
These guys are not transparent.....they just say something and the punters must just believe them without giving evidence.
Look at the Khumalo and Mxothwa case,we still don't know what races,which horses and stables where involved and who are else was implicated.
They say this is what happened but give the man in the street no evidence.
Look at the Tony Peter incident.
It's been years and years still with no feedback if they where right or wrong.
How these guys still keep their jobs is beyond me.
Surely there are people in high places that can put pressure on them to disclose the truth but it seems nothing gets done about it.
 
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3 days 15 hours ago - 3 days 15 hours ago
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