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2 months 2 weeks ago #815480 by TNaicker
I cannot help if you don't get me or feel that I have been untruthful...I have been consistent in my comments regarding leftist organisations and the ANC is one...the Democrats in the US are also...

No need to heed your advice...I post about some serious matters but don't get offended if some-one holds a different view...yes, I may try to convince based on argument but don't disrespect another view as it makes one think about things differently even if not in agreement...

Main purpose is to help each other and since it is the Scottsville graveyard today with big fields, the focus should be to help each other there...

So, I will leave things be...wishing you and all Clanners a safe and healthy day and long weekend ahead...

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815483 by TNaicker
@horse n hound...is your name a tribute to Hugh Grant's character's "employer" in Notting Hill?

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2 months 2 weeks ago - 2 months 2 weeks ago #815485 by mikesack
Although Trump was playing down the Covid 19 spread with idiotic utterances like...." I've seen the test kits , they're beautiful ", he nevertheless had the balls to look at some interventions for fighting Covid,
like Hydrochloro something and injecting bleach and Uv light via a drip into the body.

Our presiding man devoted most of his time talking about Vaxxing and even gave the name of the Pharmaceutical that will be producing it in P.E.

That there was a case heard in the High Court about a cheap alternative treatment Ivermectin was insignificant to him, in fact I've never heard him ever mention any alternative treatments to fight Covid.

To connect the dots.....and which pharmacy donated to the party funding, it now makes sense why Ivermectin was so abruptly banned here in SA after 40 years.
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2 months 2 weeks ago #815488 by Frodo
The Ivermectin issue is troublesome; as there are lots of 'common' people who swears by it - yet the Government is seemingly ignoring it; this gets even more worrisome as it seems one would only get a 'digital stamp' (which I assume would enable international travel) if using the 'official' vaccine - even though Ivermectin works just as well - and maybe even better :huh:
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2 months 2 weeks ago - 2 months 2 weeks ago #815491 by mr hawaii

Frodo wrote: The Ivermectin issue is troublesome; as there are lots of 'common' people who swears by it - yet the Government is seemingly ignoring it; this gets even more worrisome as it seems one would only get a 'digital stamp' (which I assume would enable international travel) if using the 'official' vaccine - even though Ivermectin works just as well - and maybe even better :huh:


Is there any real study that proves this drug actual works? When high-flow oxygen was the base treatment for Covid in hospitals Doctors soon found out that it was actually doing more harm than good and they ammended that approach - Surely if this drug worked some doctors would be prescribing it and that treatment would spread -
Maybe another study can prove its effectiveness but it certainly is no wonder drug .

After 21 days 82% of the patients who received ivermectin had no symptoms and 79% of those who received the placebo were symptom-free. The average time till symptoms alleviated was ten days in the ivermectin group versus 12 in the placebo one. These results are not statistically significant and could also be a result of the placebo group having more participants over 65 and more males. There were also no significant differences in the medical care the two groups needed, or who needed more serious medical intervention.

www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2021-03-...ators-court-defence/

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815492 by TNaicker
Ivermectin did not help my mother in law even though taken a day after being diagnosed so not the solution for some...she did recover 3+ weeks later though the cough lingered for a little longer...all good now...

But I agree that it should have at least been tried to assist those that it could have worked for rather than banning its use due to vested interests...

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815494 by Frodo
Howzit mr H B) - I don't know diddly-squat apart from what I read - and of course trials need to be done - however imo the article from DM does not prove anything one way or another (a total of 200 patients :ohmy: )

And I also will admit that there seems to be a lot of people saying 'it does not work' - but there are certainly also quite a lot that I know that swears by it - what is worrisome to me is that the Government (after the AstraZeneka debacle) seems unwilling to even consider that a cheaper alternative is available

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815498 by mr hawaii

Frodo wrote: Howzit mr H B) - I don't know diddly-squat apart from what I read - and of course trials need to be done - however imo the article from DM does not prove anything one way or another (a total of 200 patients :ohmy: )

And I also will admit that there seems to be a lot of people saying 'it does not work' - but there are certainly also quite a lot that I know that swears by it - what is worrisome to me is that the Government (after the AstraZeneka debacle) seems unwilling to even consider that a cheaper alternative is available


Monet talks and I have no doubt if this did actually work then the company that has the rights to make it would have quickly got a study up and running to prove it - I do know that the Flu vaccine is actually only about 50 % effective sometimes even less so I just don't know how this group of Vacs are so effective - I personally think it really depends on the person that contracts - I got it and it was very mild just no smell and a general feeling of being unwell yet my wife had zero symptoms. It seems certain people get it really bad and for them I hope these Vaccines help - It worries me that I might have to get the Vac just so I can have "electronic proof"... you are basically forced to take it or I think you will be restricted in various ways

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815501 by TNaicker

Frodo wrote: Howzit mr H B) - I don't know diddly-squat apart from what I read - and of course trials need to be done - however imo the article from DM does not prove anything one way or another (a total of 200 patients :ohmy: )

And I also will admit that there seems to be a lot of people saying 'it does not work' - but there are certainly also quite a lot that I know that swears by it - what is worrisome to me is that the Government (after the AstraZeneka debacle) seems unwilling to even consider that a cheaper alternative is available


"cheaper" doesn't leave enough room in procurement / tenders for the ANC to get it's cut via @donations"...:whistle:


Remember this quote by JZ...it didn't start with him nor did it end with him...

“I always say to business people that if you invest in the ANC, you are wise. If you don’t invest in the ANC, your business is in danger. The TG [ANC treasurer general] is a nice and a handsome young man. When he knocks, open the doors. If he says we need something he will ask one thing only. If he says support the ANC, just write a blank cheque with the instruction that it should be six digits, said Zuma.

He said while the ANC was a nonprofit organisation, it created business opportunities for companies. “This organisation does not make profit, but we create a conducive environment to those who make profit. Once you make profit, you know what to do."

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815504 by TNaicker
And to support my opinion that it didn't start with JZ, I read an excerpt in a book that goes as follow: "After Bert Wessels of Toyota gave an ANC official a cheque for R250000 following Mandela's appeal to the business sector to help the party gear up for elections, the cheque was returned to him at a business lunch, by Mandela himself. It was apparently not big enough."

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2 months 2 weeks ago #815535 by Dave Scott
All I can say is that the ANC has disappointed more and more with their daily shenanigans, lies, theft and corruption.
Only chance is the Cyril bites the bullet but he is out numbered by the hard core "baddies".😢
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2 months 2 weeks ago #815624 by Dave Scott
It's Easter weekend, try not to travel and have a peaceful time with family and friends. 🙏

Spare a thought for less fortunate.

We have a situation where the dustbin men are on strike and you can't take rubbish to the dump yourself, without intimidating circumstances.

I was woken up this morning with strange noises at 5.30 to find a young woman with a baby attached to her back and a torch searching through 2 week old dustbins for food and anything to survive.
Very sad situation 😒 God bless them 🙏
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2 months 1 week ago #816026 by Dave Scott
Disgraceful action by students.
It might be coincidence but all appear to wear red T shirts.
Damaging property and throwing stones at police and the police continue to pussy foot around in case of repercussions.

It's sad that these students are the future of SA

Better not voice my opinion if I was a policeman under these circumstances.......🤬
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2 months 1 week ago #816036 by mikesack
Finally...…………...sanity prevails and a cheap treatment Ivermectin is given the all clear .


This week ivermectin was essentially 'unbanned'. The drug, traditionally used to kill parasites in humans and animals, will now be allowed for its use in the prevention and treatment of Covid-19 as a compound drug. Stock photo.
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If you have a script from a doctor, you should be able to get ivermectin that same day, or the next day at the latest, from a compounding pharmacy or a pharmacy holding stock.

This follows this week’s “unbanning” of the drug, traditionally used to kill parasites in humans and animals, allowing for its use in the prevention and treatment of Covid-19.

A compounding pharmacy is one where ingredients are combined or mixed on site to create a drug tailored to the needs of an individual patient, as opposed to a pharmacy which only sells retail and packaged medication.

Westville-based medical doctor Naseeba Kathrada who, along with about 50 other doctors under the banner “I Can Make a Difference”, was one of four groupings which successfully challenged the anti-ivermectin stance of the South African Health Products Regulatory Authority (Sahpra).

Earlier this year, Sahpra buckled slightly and agreed that individual applications for its use could be made on a patient-by-patient basis through its section 21 process (for the use of unregistered drugs) on “compassionate grounds”.










Ivermectin for Covid-19: Compound may be made up on prescription from doctors

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But doctors complained that this process took too long, more than an hour to fill in the paperwork and then sometimes weeks for a response.


Pharmacists said they could not legally access the drug.


Then, with four similar applications set down to be heard at the same time in the Pretoria high court, an ivermectin-based cream, Soolantra, was registered by Sahpra.



Kathrada said this was a game changer. “What this meant was that the active pharmaceutical ingredient (API) was now registered for human use, primarily for eczema. The process can take up to eight years ... and can cost R1m to R2m.







“With the pandemic we didn’t have the time, or the money, to go through that process. And that is why we went to court.”


She said now that the cream is registered, the API was registered and compounding pharmacists could now use the same API in another formulation — be it a syrup, capsule, cream or tablet — which can be prescribed for Covid-19.


Kathrada said since the granting of the court order, she had spent time finding out which compounding pharmacists had stock and “we have lots”.


Some pharmacists had kept stock for use in cases where there had been approval through the section 21 process — including for stubborn parasitic conditions before the pandemic.



It was as simple as sending through a script and, depending on where the patient lived, waiting for a delivery.




















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“From 25kg of powder, I believe it is possible to make four to five million tablets, depending on the dosage. Because it is weight-based, the milligrams per patient will differ.

“It’s important to get the message out, not only to the public but to doctors, so they know where the stock is and how to access it.”

Depending on the dosage, Kathrada said a pack of 10 tablets could cost anything between R70 and R90.

It was also possible for non-compounding pharmacies to carry stock and for doctors to carry “anticipatory stock” in the event of a huge rise in infections, she added.
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Clinical trials on the use of ivermectin to combat the effects of the virus remain inconclusive about its efficacy.

According to the order, signed off by Pretoria high court judge Cassim Sardiwalla, Sahpra has to report back to the court every three months, detailing any developments in the use and availability of the drug.

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2 months 1 week ago #816039 by Mossel
Welcome to sa yesterday it was banned today legal so tommorow it will be banned again.

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2 months 1 week ago #816042 by mr hawaii

Mossel wrote: Welcome to sa yesterday it was banned today legal so tommorow it will be banned again.


It is widely used in Brazil and has had little effect as can be seen with the large amount of deaths there

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2 months 1 week ago #816083 by mikesack
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It is widely used in Brazil and has had little effect as can be seen with the large amount of deaths there[/quote]

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Lost a family member a few months back . He contracted Covid at work,
probably from the old man he sat and ate with at lunch breaks who died first with Covid.

The family member was admitted to a hospital. His wife also contracted
Covid.

She was taking Ivermectin at the beginning of the symptoms and recovered after 10 days. She attempted to give her spouse the treatment in hospital but was not authorized by the doctor and staff at the hospital .

When no progress was being made, the family transferred the patient to another hospital, a Mediclinic. Doctors and staff were told money was not an issue, that they must save the patient at any costs.

The wife who is obese and has underlying issues was able to visit at all times and was at the bedside when her husband breathed his last.

Her 27 year old husband's passing has left her as a young widow with a 2 year old son to bring up .

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2 months 1 week ago #816089 by Mac
The president of Brazil has been highly sceptical about the need to take decisive action to tackle the Covid pandemic:
■ he has called Covid "just a little flu"
■ rejected a nationwide lockdown, saying such measures only made the poor poorer
■ called state governors and mayors who imposed lockdown "tyrants"
■ cast doubts on the efficacy and safety of jabs and said he wouldn't get vaccinated
■ joked the Pfizer jab may "turn people into crocodiles"
■ dismissed opportunities to purchase millions of vaccine doses
■ told people to "stop whining" about the situation


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2 months 1 week ago #816092 by mr hawaii
The UN health agency said there was a "very low certainty of evidence" on ivermectin's effects on mortality, hospital admission and getting rid of the virus from the body.

Facebook posts and articles endorsing ivermectin have proliferated in Brazil, France, South Africa and South Korea as governments around the world struggle with vaccination programmes.

The pandemic has prompted a surge in demand for the drug, particularly in Latin America.

But in an update to its guidelines on COVID-19 therapeutics, the WHO said: "We recommend not to use ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except in the context of a clinical trial.

"This recommendation applies to patients with any disease severity and any duration of symptoms."

ewn.co.za/2021/03/31/who-says-not-to-use...on-covid-19-patients

I just think there is very very little proof it works considering it has been used extensively in Latin America and cases continue to rise there - People should rather take vitamin D3 supplements or get into the sun - This covid acts differently for different people so that is perhaps why you cannot predict how you will react to it. But I am pretty sure there is no wonder cure ... It may be linked more to genetics than anything else ..

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2 months 1 week ago #816093 by CnC 306

Mac wrote: The president of Brazil has been highly sceptical about the need to take decisive action to tackle the Covid pandemic:
■ he has called Covid "just a little flu"
■ rejected a nationwide lockdown, saying such measures only made the poor poorer
■ called state governors and mayors who imposed lockdown "tyrants"
■ cast doubts on the efficacy and safety of jabs and said he wouldn't get vaccinated
■ joked the Pfizer jab may "turn people into crocodiles"
■ dismissed opportunities to purchase millions of vaccine doses
■ told people to "stop whining" about the situation


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