TAB QUEEN'S PLATE PAYOUTS.

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1 week 18 hours ago #808685 by Dave Scott
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SUBJECT: TAB Queen’s Plate payouts correct

DATE: Wednesday 13 January 2021

RELEASED BY: Phumelela Gaming





TAB payouts on Race 7, the L’Ormarins Queen’s Plate, and the Pick 6 at Kenilworth last Saturday, were correct as declared.

Following customer queries about the TAB Win payout on the Queen’s Plate in particular and the carryover Pick 6 dividend, the betting system logs on Race 7 and the Pick 6 were thoroughly analysed and payouts re-audited.

The double check revealed nothing untoward and TAB assures customers the dividends are correct.

Trainer Justin Snaith’s charge, Dark Jet, won the Queen’s Plate at odds of 12-1, but paid R4.90 for a TAB Win as a result of sizeable bets on the colt shortly before the start. These wagers on Dark Jet collectively increased the TAB Win pool on the race by some 6%, but simultaneously resulted in the three-year-old’s payout dropping from R7.10 to R4.90.

The Pick 6, in which fields on average comprised less than nine runners, was boosted by a R3-million carryover and returned a dividend of R5,019. Tote favourites won three of the six legs.

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1 week 17 hours ago #808691 by Thor
Just like they thoroughly analyzed and re-audited the race card to get the name of the horse winning the Grade 1 race correct.
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1 week 15 hours ago #808694 by Shadley
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Trainer Justin Snaith’s charge, Dark Jet, won the Queen’s Plate at odds of 12-1, but paid R4.90 for a TAB Win as a result of sizeable bets on the colt shortly before the start. These wagers on Dark Jet collectively increased the TAB Win pool on the race by some 6%, but simultaneously resulted in the three-year-old’s payout dropping from R7.10 to R4.90.

So they don't find it unusual that 6% of the pool was wagered just before the off on a 12 to 1 shot who just so happened to be the winner. Which right minded big punter bets on the tote knowing the odds will shorten to much less than the fixed odds available>

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1 week 8 hours ago #808695 by Mac
Any punter can punt in any way the punter chooses. Much ado about nothing.


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1 week 8 hours ago - 1 week 7 hours ago #808696 by manwatweet
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Shadley wrote: Trainer Justin Snaith’s charge, Dark Jet, won the Queen’s Plate at odds of 12-1, but paid R4.90 for a TAB Win as a result of sizeable bets on the colt shortly before the start. These wagers on Dark Jet collectively increased the TAB Win pool on the race by some 6%, but simultaneously resulted in the three-year-old’s payout dropping from R7.10 to R4.90.

So they don't find it unusual that 6% of the pool was wagered just before the off on a 12 to 1 shot who just so happened to be the winner. Which right minded big punter bets on the tote knowing the odds will shorten to much less than the fixed odds available>


You can strike a bet of R5000 on the tote to get a payout of R24900 in this instance.
You can only strike a bet of R800 at 12-1 to win R9600, minus tax with a bookie as their online limits are usually R10000.

As jy dom is moet jy slim wees
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1 week 7 hours ago - 1 week 7 hours ago #808697 by Dave Scott
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I have to guess that Dark Jet and Jet Dark both have the same MR of 130 not to complicate matters 😎

Lets consider the punter ( you would have to also guess that this person is wearing blue and white) part of the elite and a supporter of the tote.
I have no problem with this as we ALL know that tote bets are better for the game than a bookie strike.

Considering above this punter is taking a large bet and we have to assume that the person is highly educated?
So the question remains:
Who in their right mind which I am sure has racing links, would punt a horse at 7/1 with a tote knowing that the amount of winning tickets would increase, and their payout would be drastically reduced.

The books have 14/1, 12/1, 10/1 etc at various limits for you to make a substantial bet .

However we thank this gent or lady for their generous contribution to the game.

Good Punting
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1 week 7 hours ago - 1 week 7 hours ago #808700 by Mac
Perhaps he was a first-time punter?
Perhaps he was blocked by all the other bookies? Doubt it.
Perhaps he was trying to do a coup to receive a better dividend on something else? Doubt it, his 6% contribution to the pool would have raised the dividends by only 1% or so on each of the balance of runners.
I think he was a “virgin” punter and congrats for his win.
Does anyone know the win pool?


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1 week 6 hours ago #808702 by Shadley
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Ok, so perhaps I am the only conspiracy theorist. Just to put this out there as a software engineer. Here is a possible scenario.

in any computer run business at least 1 person has the superuser password. In this case I am making a reference to the case in the US win the 90's using the same software the tote uses. The "punter" makes several winning bets in this case eg. R5000, R6000, R3000 so all the money is in the pool. As soon as the result is known, the superuser can then change the selection on the ticket to the winning horse. Note that this does not change the to pool total and the time of the bet is still before the off.

Just a theory of how it could be done

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1 week 5 hours ago #808703 by naresh
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Mac wrote: Perhaps he was a first-time punter?
Perhaps he was blocked by all the other bookies? Doubt it.
Perhaps he was trying to do a coup to receive a better dividend on something else? Doubt it, his 6% contribution to the pool would have raised the dividends by only 1% or so on each of the balance of runners.
I think he was a “virgin” punter and congrats for his win.
Does anyone know the win pool?


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The pool reached 217k. The next race the pool reached 210k. The race that Queen Supreme won the pool reached 318k.

This makes me think other jurisdictions/countries was punting into the pools. Funny enough the French Tote was not punting into the pools. The last month or so they covered a lot of meetings from South Africa.

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1 week 5 hours ago #808704 by Frodo
We will never know - but to me it does seem that this type of thing is happening more often these days - so not only does the astute punter need to monitor the fixed-odds prices in the 5 minutes before the off, but also the tote - of course many of these 'coups' go haywire - but some are landed :ohmy:

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1 week 3 hours ago #808711 by Muhtiman
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......when I saw the tote payout thought I'd missed a trick and got Snaithed with the rest of the racing world.....but one does not have to look too far as the polo playing connection in Plett must have not been able to find a bookie there....:dry:

My idea of "help from above" is a sniper on the roof
and a higher power is a hell fire missile armed drone.

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1 week 3 hours ago #808715 by KitKat
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Interesting to note that in the P6 provided by the Snaith stable with their runner comments, they did not include Jet Dark.
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1 week 3 hours ago #808716 by Place_will_pay
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Put Cheyne on the horse and you would've got twelves. Grant was surely favoritism. Well done to that punter though.

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1 week 34 minutes ago - 1 week 31 minutes ago #808739 by moose
I have been seeing this now for a long time that the payout divedent drops by quite a bit after the race has run
I just dont believe there explenation. It is allwayes on the winning horse not the rest off pay out pool
I am also awair that at times the masjien doesnt switch off for the race and it is easy to take a bet once the horse has won, I know off people that has done this as i was standing next to them when this happened,
I believe there is something amiss ???
every day there are some descrepency in some races not every race strange at one stage i was taking a foto graff
Off the pay out as the race goes off and during the race and when the pay out comes it is differant.
especialy on swingers and win bets

A month ago I was going to post some thing on this site about that but decided it is a waist off time.
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1 week 16 minutes ago #808741 by durbs
One thing is certain and that is that you cannot trust our tote.
The okes are fiddling inside.Just too many odd things happening.
Tabgold had a forum at one stage and quickly closed it down after they where made to look like fools day in and day out.
Mistakes everywhere and obviously didn't want everyone to see how incompetent they are.
When is the new hierarchy of SA racing coming in?
A whole new tote system is needed,something that can actually give us proof of our queries not oh we checked it and it's ok.
Show us the proof,give us those last minute bets and at what time they where taken and if it was just one bet or many.
I read on sportingpost that they can't even give us the exact percentage of their takeout of the pools.
Not sure there is a worst run tote anywhere else in the world.

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6 days 21 hours ago #808758 by moose
with todays tec they can give you exacy time place masjien num ect and opperators name So whatis so difficult of that They are creming it Or some one els is
ITS TIME TO WAKE UP???

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