NHRA are worrying about deaths

Louisg thank you for your comments, I agree with the majority of what you say. I do however believe that if there is a rule on place, it should be enforced, and not enforced only when it suits Hydes agenda. If this rule is not enforced then clearly the rule should not be there in the first place. You and I are in agreement that the problem lies with the regulatory body.

On a lighter matter, do you really believe that a stipe can give an objective opinion on the merits of a grass gallop when viewing this from behind the starting stalls? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It has been proven time and time again that they struggle to see the obvious when the horses are running towards them. Nice try, but that does not satisfy the conditions of this rule.

Of course that is the case, it is patently clear from track athlete's and the way they plan their assault on a specific race or record breaking attempt. That is something always factored into form analysis - where is the horse entered to run next, what is it's ultimate target etc.

Prep runs are an accepted part of the sport, and the horse needs that actual competition to fine tune ,

Running the horse fresh off the farm, patently over weight, without a gallop under it's belt, or even just using the races to race a horse back into shape after peak - fully knowing thatt the horse could be latched onto as an odds on shot goes a little beyond the art.

In addition, when it suits - there are trainers capable of bringing a horse back fresh when it's no longer under the spotlight and win quite well - the value being generated by the doubt around it's fitness.

One can understand horses taking part in Grade 1 and major events needing a certain calibre of competition to bring them on, that might not be available to the trainer. But there are other situations where these horses are so unprepared, that no amount of protestation could suggest it was looking for fine tuning.

On that note we could take a leaf out of the Hong Kong Jockey clubs book, and publish the horses weight in the form book for each race as well.

You do however make a valid point, one cannot have racing completely cleaned up - since then none of us would be able to find value. Gone the intrigue of finding the horse that is deliberately entered in a race too short or too long, deliberately matched against too strong opposition, favorites pacemaking for their lesser fancied companion couplings, deliberately employed wrong tactics, deliberately dropping the ratings and so on -- that is the real enjoyment, and value generator of the sport --- remove that and it wouldn't be so much fun

Yes Adams. Sometimes I too wonder, when studying some horses in the ring....but to each his own, I suppose. And yes, there are horses that can be brought back ready, from a break. Basically, first timers also fall under that category.
I will still reiterate the benefits of going to the course whenever possible.

Just a small point - all the fuss over Trainer comments on first timers has resulted in what ? Whilst people like myself clearly stated that we would willingly provide info on racedays and were slated for that, the vast number of "could not be reached for comment" are fine and the useless comments are also fine. How much help have Punters really gained from these ? And the same with a barrier trial which must be over 1000m and within 66 seconds... another waste of time, just typical "Racing Window Dressing". The good side of the Barrier Trials will be that horses will learn from them and their behaviour will he scrutinised and we should have more knowledge about their stalls attitude etc.

But, if each of the KZN Parade Rings had an attached small area which Trainers must Pass by upon leaving the ring and are obliged to comment to Punters questions about their runners in the race or the rest of the day, THAT would be far more beneficial to Punters. And Presenters. And off course Punters, just a cell call away from their mates who are on course... that would show up the whole lot of us, negatively or positively etc.

I would have no problem with that. Honesty of opinion and a genuine commitment to the Owners and Punters together, is what racing needs.

I asked you to give a comment on Zen Arcade under the Ideal World thread a day before it ran second as an unraced

So then which part of after 11h00 on a race day are you grappling with in terms of understanding?

you dont need a morning blood count or temperatures to give an opinion of a horse that is in your yard
theres so much you could have said but dont let that trouble you

Goose has said may times that his yard is a punting yard. And that he gives Tellytrack his comments on raceday

Please respect him for being honest

mydada wrote: I asked you to give a comment on Zen Arcade under the Ideal World thread a day before it ran second as an unraced

.....ask yourself why would any trainer put an unraced horse in a sales incentive race.....
1. Could not get it in an earlier prep race
2. Owner paid the incentive and horse is legible for stakes bonus
3. Horse is well put together and worthy to get some stakes.

The fact that it was nominated to go in the race says he had a chance, however 1st time round the bend for a speed ped is always risky and who would want to put their heads down for a big punt under these conditions.....why does the trainer have to confirm that the horse is trying but concerned about taking on raced runners and going around the bend.....this is the feel that seasoned punters are supposed to develop without trying to take short cuts and have it advertised in bright lights.....for me it was a value EW bet.....based on ped, owner, trainer and race conditions....when I saw your question I thought it was rhetorical.....but why should I or the trainer post....it would have then destroyed the value.... :whistle:

louisg wrote: Yes Adams. Sometimes I too wonder, when studying some horses in the ring....but to each his own, I suppose. And yes, there are horses that can be brought back ready, from a break. Basically, first timers also fall under that category.
I will still reiterate the benefits of going to the course whenever possible.

Just a small point - all the fuss over Trainer comments on first timers has resulted in what ? Whilst people like myself clearly stated that we would willingly provide info on racedays and were slated for that, the vast number of "could not be reached for comment" are fine and the useless comments are also fine. How much help have Punters really gained from these ? And the same with a barrier trial which must be over 1000m and within 66 seconds... another waste of time, just typical "Racing Window Dressing". The good side of the Barrier Trials will be that horses will learn from them and their behaviour will he scrutinised and we should have more knowledge about their stalls attitude etc.

But, if each of the KZN Parade Rings had an attached small area which Trainers must Pass by upon leaving the ring and are obliged to comment to Punters questions about their runners in the race or the rest of the day, THAT would be far more beneficial to Punters. And Presenters. And off course Punters, just a cell call away from their mates who are on course... that would show up the whole lot of us, negatively or positively etc.

I would have no problem with that. Honesty of opinion and a genuine commitment to the Owners and Punters together, is what racing needs.

Thank you Sir, Your openness old school style is appreciated, I for one respect the trainer's right not to comment --- in no other sport would the competitors be discussing their strategies and and strengths out in public. - in fact where I was raised it's deemed rude or impolite to ask a trainer or jockey for information

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Thank you Sir, Your openness old school style is appreciated, I for one respect the trainer's right not to comment --- in no other sport would the competitors be discussing their strategies and and strengths out in public. - in fact where I was raised it's deemed rude or impolite to ask a trainer or jockey for information [/quote]......you are correct as I have never asked a trainer or a jockey for any info either....some are still quite perplexed how I got into something that came up on them...... :woohoo:

.....growing up in a training environment.... no one was allowed to answer the phone on a race day morning.....connections would be told to have a bet in the parade ring.....

today people are smart and dont want to waste their hard earned and much needed money on a game that only benefit the insiders

mydada wrote: today people are smart and dont want to waste their hard earned and much needed money on a game that only benefit the insiders

.....back in the day before all this technology and more access to information there were more coups pulled by unconnected punters than those that were privy to so called inside information.....the problem today is that the greedy want to get on before the trigger is pulled.....the main reason that my father and his father only told the connections to fire at the last minute..... is that so much could go wrong before the horse was on the way to the post...it also gave joe public on course a fair stab at a decent price when they saw the owners/connections were making a bee line to their favorite bookie.... :dry: .