IS AVIATOR BEING USED AS A CRIMINAL ENTERPISE?
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IS AVIATOR BEING USED AS A CRIMINAL ENTERPISE?
1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago
Recent reports in the media suggest that there is a strong criminal element ‘at play’ on the online games offered by bookmaking businesses.This week alone I read two articles describing how two members of the public were scammed and in one instance the stolen funds were deposited into Betway.
This would go a long way towards explaining some of the activities which I have witnessed on the popular Aviator site. I have seen some players wager as much as R50,000x2 (playing two hands simultaneously) and seemingly lose up to R1,000,000+ in the space of a dozen or so ‘flights’. After a short interruption they are back again after, I assume, depositing fresh funds only to repeat the process or recover a portion of their original losses. I find it difficult to accept that any normal player would be comfortable in losing so much money from their own resources.
.The part which intrigues me is the complete absence of any discernible strategy. Although the game is random that does not mean that ‘probability’ vs ‘possibility’ does not come into play. It is amazing to note that these players will often increase their bet size immediately after a flight has progressed to an exceptionally high level when usually a string of low ‘flights’ (ie 1,0 – 2,0) will follow. It is difficult to continue with one’s own play as the high roller then proceeds to lose money in buckets. The morbid fascination of watching this process unfold is irresistible.
Clearly there are enormous money laundering opportunities to be exploited. If a sum of stolen money were to be processed through these sites by using low plays. It is possible (but not guaranteed) to ‘wash’ a fairly large sum of money without excessive risk if playing to an intelligent strategy.
This would go a long way towards explaining some of the activities which I have witnessed on the popular Aviator site. I have seen some players wager as much as R50,000x2 (playing two hands simultaneously) and seemingly lose up to R1,000,000+ in the space of a dozen or so ‘flights’. After a short interruption they are back again after, I assume, depositing fresh funds only to repeat the process or recover a portion of their original losses. I find it difficult to accept that any normal player would be comfortable in losing so much money from their own resources.
.The part which intrigues me is the complete absence of any discernible strategy. Although the game is random that does not mean that ‘probability’ vs ‘possibility’ does not come into play. It is amazing to note that these players will often increase their bet size immediately after a flight has progressed to an exceptionally high level when usually a string of low ‘flights’ (ie 1,0 – 2,0) will follow. It is difficult to continue with one’s own play as the high roller then proceeds to lose money in buckets. The morbid fascination of watching this process unfold is irresistible.
Clearly there are enormous money laundering opportunities to be exploited. If a sum of stolen money were to be processed through these sites by using low plays. It is possible (but not guaranteed) to ‘wash’ a fairly large sum of money without excessive risk if playing to an intelligent strategy.
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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago
Please share the links, Garrick.. I know there was an old case of a bookie being fined R200m in the UK for not asking VIP's where they get their money from... Something the UK requires bookmakers to do..
I think all punters can be asked to show their earnings in the UK, from as little as a £100 (R2000) deposit can be delayed.
I think all punters can be asked to show their earnings in the UK, from as little as a £100 (R2000) deposit can be delayed.
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1 year 4 months ago
I take most of my soccer pool bets through Interbet.
The last week or so I keep seeing that 2 punters won, 5 bar and 1.3 bar by playing Aviator.
The last week or so I keep seeing that 2 punters won, 5 bar and 1.3 bar by playing Aviator.
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1 year 4 months ago
Is Twinkles not the pilot cleaning up?
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1 year 4 months ago
Can you please share Garrick, the guys from the bookie you mentioned want to investigate
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1 year 4 months ago
..... surely the outfit that hosts this game has the software to monitor the plays as they are slso now advertising this game on multiple radio stations and making reference to the big wins.... and they should know then who are playing the big wagers by the cash or voucher deposits... there are patterns that syndicates use to launder cash through gaming enterprises.... but then again some of these enterprises are so big they would be none the wiser...
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1 year 4 months ago - 1 year 4 months ago
These online casino games are dangerous shit.
Will be ruining many families.
Advertisements all over the show even using "celebrities".
Advertisements on Kyknet, RSG etc.
Rather stick to the ponies................ Or get a budgie.
Will be ruining many families.
Advertisements all over the show even using "celebrities".
Advertisements on Kyknet, RSG etc.
Rather stick to the ponies................ Or get a budgie.
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1 year 4 months agoThese online casino games are dangerous shit.
Will be ruining many families.
Advertisements all over the show even using "celebrities".
Advertisements on Kyknet, RSG etc.
Rather stick to the ponies................ Or get a budgie.
100% correct.
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1 year 4 months ago
I have a R10 daily limit for all gambling...if it's done, I'm done for the day...ill-discipline / desperation can ruin you and those you love dearest...permanently...
Strength to those who are having or have had difficulties controlling themselves...
Take care and best regards to all
Strength to those who are having or have had difficulties controlling themselves...
Take care and best regards to all
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1 month 4 weeks ago
bump....since this ugly game is still going on.....must be protected as it is growing and not slowing....huh
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When I submitted this post a couple of months ago I had a handful of approaches from the industry to which I did not respond for the following reasons:
1. The post was my OPINION and based solely on my observations.
2. Do these entities not run any security checks themselves?
On June 3rd one Anthonie Bougas' estate was sequestrated in a Pretoria court.
For those who do not know : He ran a business called KlueterZone - a franchised chain of nursery schools which offered investors a (suspiciously) high ROI (Return On Investment). The latter mentioned business was liquidated on May 14th whilst Mr Bougas fled the country with accompanying family members in February.
The portion of the report which really caught my attention was the following :
According to a report by Rapport , Bougas channelled nearly R80 million through a gambling account, although the total amount may still rise as further bank statements are obtained.
This prompts me to ask one question :
Why were these deposits not flagged as 'suspicious transactions' by the recipient gambling organisations? Surely the companies involved should, therefore, be held accountable?
1. The post was my OPINION and based solely on my observations.
2. Do these entities not run any security checks themselves?
On June 3rd one Anthonie Bougas' estate was sequestrated in a Pretoria court.
For those who do not know : He ran a business called KlueterZone - a franchised chain of nursery schools which offered investors a (suspiciously) high ROI (Return On Investment). The latter mentioned business was liquidated on May 14th whilst Mr Bougas fled the country with accompanying family members in February.
The portion of the report which really caught my attention was the following :
According to a report by Rapport , Bougas channelled nearly R80 million through a gambling account, although the total amount may still rise as further bank statements are obtained.
This prompts me to ask one question :
Why were these deposits not flagged as 'suspicious transactions' by the recipient gambling organisations? Surely the companies involved should, therefore, be held accountable?
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2 days 9 hours ago
.....can a local betting establishment be held criminally liable for money laundering.....huh
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