Fears and thoughts in South Africa
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2 years 6 months ago
......they are now trying to find a respectable night watchman.....one with a bit more integrity which may be a bit challenging... one that can at least hold a bat.....because in the morning he/she is going have to face a barrage from every bowler trying to bowl the ANC OUT....:S
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@mikesack...with regards to the "good Doctor", I personally knew some people he was very close to that, in a manner, "funded" him...that goes back more than 10 years so I hold zero faith in any of these wannabees...they have no good intent...only seek to have their time at the taxpayer trough...
Cyril the Squirrel got his through the deals he made with big business at and post Codesa (see the names of Codesa "negotiators" who went into "business" not long after Codesa) so others feel that it is their time hence he didn't do anything through the myriad of corrupt dealings during his term...
Cyril the Squirrel got his through the deals he made with big business at and post Codesa (see the names of Codesa "negotiators" who went into "business" not long after Codesa) so others feel that it is their time hence he didn't do anything through the myriad of corrupt dealings during his term...
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Why don`t they just appoint Thuli Madonsela to steer this "sinking ship" to calmer waters (2024) Think she has a skipper`s ticket.lol
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2 years 6 months agoWhy don`t they just appoint Thuli Madonsela to steer this "sinking ship" to calmer waters (2024) Think she has a skipper`s ticket.lol
She's too busy pushing "social justice" whilst living the good life to get into formal politics...through all the corruption she investigated and reported on, she still said that she would vote ANC...go figure...
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2 years 6 months ago - 2 years 6 months agoXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxWhy don`t they just appoint Thuli Madonsela to steer this "sinking ship" to calmer waters (2024) Think she has a skipper`s ticket.lol
Or how about Mary... "the hare."
She has degrees and experiences in a lot of such matters.
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a skewed report about the violence during the riots and implicated the very people who were defending their lives, wives and properties as perpetrators.
Mary" the hare"
could pull a rabbit out of the hat. :woohoo:
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.....they are done...either they try hang on and get put out in 2024.....or immediately try to hustle a deal with the EFF in a coalition and go to the polls next year to try keep them in the gravy for longer....:huh:
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2 years 6 months ago@mikesack...with regards to the "good Doctor"
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I nominated him for President a long while ago and he will have a landslide victory.
Dr Imtiaz Sooliman.![]()
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2 years 6 months ago@mikesack...with regards to the "good Doctor"
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I nominated him for President a long while ago and he will have a landslide victory.
Dr Imtiaz Sooliman.![]()
Apologies...wrong "good Doctor"...I thought you were referring to the other nominee for ANC presidency...
Dr Imitaz Sooliman is a good man that should never be tainted by politics...he's great at what he does...seen it first hand in the work his organisation has done in Tongaat and from speaking to a surgeon that went with Gift of the Givers to Syria...
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2 years 6 months agoXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxWhy don`t they just appoint Thuli Madonsela to steer this "sinking ship" to calmer waters (2024) Think she has a skipper`s ticket.lol
Or how about Mary... "the hare."
She has degrees and experiences in a lot of such matters.
Wrote
a skewed report about the violence during the riots and implicated the very people who were defending their lives, wives and properties as perpetrators.
Mary" the hare"
could pull a rabbit out of the hat. :woohoo:
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What's your take on the above.
de Haas as baas? Eish...
Heard her a few times being interviewed on the radio...sounds like her time is up...:whistle:
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Watch the yield on the R209 RSA bond...touched 12% yesterday when talk of "family meeting"...currently as 11,79%...was at about 11.70% about an hour ago...as news leaks from NEC meeting currently taking place, bond yields will give indication of what is likely to happen later today and through the weekend...
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EXCLUSIVE: Phala Phala Farmgate - Where Ramaphosa’s stolen dollars came from
President of the Republic of South Africa Cyril Ramaphosa. Picture: Phando Jikelo/African News Agency(ANA)
President of the Republic of South Africa Cyril Ramaphosa. Picture: Phando Jikelo/African News Agency(ANA)
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South Africa - South Africa and the world would have never known about President Cyril Ramaphosa’s alleged illicit financial mess if the millions of US dollars had not been stolen from his Phala Phala farm.
The Section 89 Independent Panel retired Chief Justice Sandile Ngcobo chaired cautioned that Ramaphosa was not being truthful by declaring that only $580 000 (an estimated R9.5 million) was stolen.
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Information obtained during a probe by Independent Media’s investigation team the Falcons showed at least $4m was stolen at Phala Phala.
Also, information from sources with intimate knowledge of the entire saga revealed that more than $100m was hidden.
Our probe found that about $140m (roughly R2 billion according to 2020 exchange rates) was allegedly moved through Waterkloof Air Force Base to Phala Phala where it was kept for more than a month before the theft in February.
WATCH: EXCLUSIVE CCTV FOOTAGE OF THE BREAK-IN AT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA’S GAME FARM
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The panel’s report cited an investigator in an audio clip who put it to a suspect they knew that the suspects took about “20 million” to Namibia, albeit without clarity on the currency.
“Although in the audio clip is it not entirely clear, what currency they were referring to when the amount of 20 million was mentioned. Whether the investigator was referring to US$ or ZAR, this amount is far more than the US$580 000 that was alleged to have been hidden inside the sofa.
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“If what the suspect and the investigator were saying is true about the money stolen, then there was more than US$580 000 hidden in the sofa. The question is where did this additional foreign currency come from?” the report stated.
In his affidavit, former State Security Agency (SSA) director-general Arthur Fraser stated that, although there was no certainty about the precise amount stolen, the quantum was speculated to be about $4m to $8m. Ramaphosa has publicly downplayed it to have been “far less”.
Ramaphosa had informed the panel the stolen money was the proceeds of a sale to a Sudanese national he identified as “Mr Mustafa Mohamed Ibrahim Hazim”.
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He said Hazim came to the farm to view buffaloes that were for sale and paid $580 000 in cash to a Mr Ndlovu for the purchase of a number of the buffaloes.
WATCH: Phala Phala: Anatomy of a scandal
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However, Fraser in his affidavit alleged that Ramaphosa’s closest adviser Bejani Chauke was instrumental in illegally bringing into the country large sums of US dollars from countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Morocco, and Equatorial Guinea.
Sources with intimate knowledge of the matter informed us that during Ramaphosa’s state visit to Saudi Arabia in July 2018, that country made a $20m donation to the ANC – which they referred to as Mandela’s party.
Later another $20m was donated to the party bringing to $40m the total amount donated by Saudi Arabia.
The donations were allegedly on condition that the South African government did not give any form of support to Qatar. Relations between Saudi Arabia and Qatar had historically been turbulent due to disagreements over the rightful ownership of several territories.
The sources said the Saudis allegedly also expected an exclusive Saudi-South Africa oil deal through an oil refinery to be built in Richards Bay and backed by state-owned Saudi Aramco.
Ramaphosa allegedly received $10m donation from Qatar via French-born Philippe Solomons, who lives in Doha. Solomons, who has links with US intelligence agencies, flew from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to Qatar to collect the money and then to South Africa where he touched down at Fireblade private terminal at OR Tambo. Ramaphosa’s trusted man Chauke, who interestingly has a diplomatic passport, was there to collect the bag of cash.
In total Ramaphosa allegedly received $50m in the form of “donations for the ANC”.
Ramaphosa, according to a source close to him, allegedly received $40m during his one-day trip to Egypt several weeks ago.
The Falcons are still trying to verify the information about the money from Egypt.
The president allegedly also received an estimated $10m from Equatorial Guinea’s Teodorin Nguema Obiang Mangue, who in return expected Ramaphosa to facilitate the return of his assets confiscated in France and also to “convince the courts” in South Africa to rule in his favour. According to information gathered from sources, he further received undisclosed amounts of money from the DRC and Ghana.
After the Phala Phala scandal broke Ramaphosa allegedly roped in two businessmen to help him launder the money through dubious property deals, who the Falcons will only identify as Zahir and Karl. Sources, who cannot be named, revealed that about $20m was moved to Zahir and $10m was moved to Karl.
The section 89 panel found that other than Hazim’s and Ndlovu’s names, no further particulars of the two were provided such as their passport or identity document numbers. “Mr Hazim is said to be a Sudanese businessman. Yet no particulars are given of his business or the business he is involved in, the address where he conducts business from or any particulars that will enable anyone wishing to identify him or establish his whereabouts” the report stated.
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President of the Republic of South Africa Cyril Ramaphosa. Picture: Phando Jikelo/African News Agency(ANA)
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South Africa - South Africa and the world would have never known about President Cyril Ramaphosa’s alleged illicit financial mess if the millions of US dollars had not been stolen from his Phala Phala farm.
The Section 89 Independent Panel retired Chief Justice Sandile Ngcobo chaired cautioned that Ramaphosa was not being truthful by declaring that only $580 000 (an estimated R9.5 million) was stolen.
Story continues below Advertisement
Information obtained during a probe by Independent Media’s investigation team the Falcons showed at least $4m was stolen at Phala Phala.
Also, information from sources with intimate knowledge of the entire saga revealed that more than $100m was hidden.
Our probe found that about $140m (roughly R2 billion according to 2020 exchange rates) was allegedly moved through Waterkloof Air Force Base to Phala Phala where it was kept for more than a month before the theft in February.
WATCH: EXCLUSIVE CCTV FOOTAGE OF THE BREAK-IN AT CYRIL RAMAPHOSA’S GAME FARM
Play Video
The panel’s report cited an investigator in an audio clip who put it to a suspect they knew that the suspects took about “20 million” to Namibia, albeit without clarity on the currency.
“Although in the audio clip is it not entirely clear, what currency they were referring to when the amount of 20 million was mentioned. Whether the investigator was referring to US$ or ZAR, this amount is far more than the US$580 000 that was alleged to have been hidden inside the sofa.
Story continues below Advertisement
“If what the suspect and the investigator were saying is true about the money stolen, then there was more than US$580 000 hidden in the sofa. The question is where did this additional foreign currency come from?” the report stated.
In his affidavit, former State Security Agency (SSA) director-general Arthur Fraser stated that, although there was no certainty about the precise amount stolen, the quantum was speculated to be about $4m to $8m. Ramaphosa has publicly downplayed it to have been “far less”.
Ramaphosa had informed the panel the stolen money was the proceeds of a sale to a Sudanese national he identified as “Mr Mustafa Mohamed Ibrahim Hazim”.
Story continues below Advertisement
He said Hazim came to the farm to view buffaloes that were for sale and paid $580 000 in cash to a Mr Ndlovu for the purchase of a number of the buffaloes.
WATCH: Phala Phala: Anatomy of a scandal
Play Video
However, Fraser in his affidavit alleged that Ramaphosa’s closest adviser Bejani Chauke was instrumental in illegally bringing into the country large sums of US dollars from countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Morocco, and Equatorial Guinea.
Sources with intimate knowledge of the matter informed us that during Ramaphosa’s state visit to Saudi Arabia in July 2018, that country made a $20m donation to the ANC – which they referred to as Mandela’s party.
Later another $20m was donated to the party bringing to $40m the total amount donated by Saudi Arabia.
The donations were allegedly on condition that the South African government did not give any form of support to Qatar. Relations between Saudi Arabia and Qatar had historically been turbulent due to disagreements over the rightful ownership of several territories.
The sources said the Saudis allegedly also expected an exclusive Saudi-South Africa oil deal through an oil refinery to be built in Richards Bay and backed by state-owned Saudi Aramco.
Ramaphosa allegedly received $10m donation from Qatar via French-born Philippe Solomons, who lives in Doha. Solomons, who has links with US intelligence agencies, flew from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to Qatar to collect the money and then to South Africa where he touched down at Fireblade private terminal at OR Tambo. Ramaphosa’s trusted man Chauke, who interestingly has a diplomatic passport, was there to collect the bag of cash.
In total Ramaphosa allegedly received $50m in the form of “donations for the ANC”.
Ramaphosa, according to a source close to him, allegedly received $40m during his one-day trip to Egypt several weeks ago.
The Falcons are still trying to verify the information about the money from Egypt.
The president allegedly also received an estimated $10m from Equatorial Guinea’s Teodorin Nguema Obiang Mangue, who in return expected Ramaphosa to facilitate the return of his assets confiscated in France and also to “convince the courts” in South Africa to rule in his favour. According to information gathered from sources, he further received undisclosed amounts of money from the DRC and Ghana.
After the Phala Phala scandal broke Ramaphosa allegedly roped in two businessmen to help him launder the money through dubious property deals, who the Falcons will only identify as Zahir and Karl. Sources, who cannot be named, revealed that about $20m was moved to Zahir and $10m was moved to Karl.
The section 89 panel found that other than Hazim’s and Ndlovu’s names, no further particulars of the two were provided such as their passport or identity document numbers. “Mr Hazim is said to be a Sudanese businessman. Yet no particulars are given of his business or the business he is involved in, the address where he conducts business from or any particulars that will enable anyone wishing to identify him or establish his whereabouts” the report stated.
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Since dollars involved, US authorities may get involved...
Even the little Cyril the Squirrel has spoken about this matter have been questionable...again, it comes down to not wanting to answer the questions that will arise from a truthful disclosure...and so he leaves it to his toadie sycophants, most of whom would be jobless as they are unemployable, to push narratives...
I care little for what comes next (as all that we had to contend with pre and post apartheid has built a resilience that cannot be broken) save to say that we cannot tolerate some dodgy behaviour but condemn others based on the persons involved...speaks more about our malleable ethics and morality...the crooks, whoever they are, must be exposed and face consequences that flow from their actions...
Even the little Cyril the Squirrel has spoken about this matter have been questionable...again, it comes down to not wanting to answer the questions that will arise from a truthful disclosure...and so he leaves it to his toadie sycophants, most of whom would be jobless as they are unemployable, to push narratives...
I care little for what comes next (as all that we had to contend with pre and post apartheid has built a resilience that cannot be broken) save to say that we cannot tolerate some dodgy behaviour but condemn others based on the persons involved...speaks more about our malleable ethics and morality...the crooks, whoever they are, must be exposed and face consequences that flow from their actions...
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