Fears and thoughts in South Africa
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3 years 10 months ago
And YES.... CYRIL has failed us.
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Re: Fears and thoughts in South Africa
3 years 10 months ago
It's late, but was impressed by the SADF top man speaking.
He basically said, he is not going to take any shit and no more observing status, they are going to climb in ππ
At last π
He basically said, he is not going to take any shit and no more observing status, they are going to climb in ππ
At last π
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Re: Fears and thoughts in South Africa
3 years 10 months ago
Remains to be seen if they do anything. But hear that the big chief is in kzn I didn't see the news today but that's what I heard can't believe he made a effort to go there
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Re: Fears and thoughts in South Africa
3 years 10 months ago
People want to go after the pawns. CR is going after the kings, and bishops.
Stop playing checkers in a game of chess, chaps.
Stop playing checkers in a game of chess, chaps.
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Re: Fears and thoughts in South Africa
3 years 10 months agoLionel wrote: People want to go after the pawns. CR is going after the kings, and bishops.
Stop playing checkers in a game of chess, chaps.
Are you referring to this article?
Zumaβs team has failed.
Read this article and understand why Cyril did not pull the Army until later.
He is not a stupid man. We are so lucky to have him as our President.
By Clem Sunter
βDear friends,
Many of you outside of South Africa are wondering what is really going on. So here is a very simple outline. The thing is obviously far more complex and nuanced than can be set out in a brief note but this will give you some picture of what is really happening.
Following the 1994 democratic elections in South Africa, South Africa did really well economically until about 2008. That was also the year that Jacob Zuma was elected president of the ANC. At that point in time, some of us had a sense of disquiet already. But little did any of us understand then the extent of the corruption and weakening of government institutions that would follow. We have no clear idea of the extent of what was stolen during the Jacob Zuma years, other than that it is a stupendous sum of money which this country certainly cannot afford. Eventually however the internal tide within the ANC started to slowly turn against Jacob Zuma. On 18 December 2017 Cyril Ramaphosa was elected as the president of the ANC (and also subsequently became the president of South Africa). But it was a very narrow margin of victory.
The thing about Cyril Ramaphosa is that he is fundamentally a principled man. And certainly, determined to clean up the history of corruption we have seen since 2008. Various steps have been taken by him and the ANC under his guidance to give effect to this. One of the things that was done was to establish a commission chaired by Raymond Zondo, who is the Deputy Chief Justice of South Africa. The purpose of this commission was to investigate the corruption issues and to expose them to the light of day.
Jacob Zuma was required to appear in front of the commission. He effectively refused to do so. He was ordered by the Constitutional Court to do so. He defied the order of the Constitutional Court. The Constitutional Court in turn ordered his imprisonment for a period of 15 months for contempt of court. This, whatever you call it, is fundamentally the rule of law in action.
Initially there was resistance to imprisonment by Jacob Zuma and his supporters. A week ago, however Jacob Zuma submitted himself to imprisonment. And then all hell broke loose.
What you need to understand is that Jacob Zuma has his powerbase in KwaZulu Natal, where the riots have been at their worst. This is also, as the name will tell you, the home territory of the Zulu nation. And Jacob Zuma is a prominent figure in the Zulu nation. Within the Jacob Zuma camp, individuals set about instigating the so-called protests, riots and looting that you have seen in the media. To a significant extent they leveraged the problems of poverty and inequality in South Africa to achieve their ends. Very often in this country we have areas where many very poor people are resident adjacent to commercial complexes. This was an ideal combination to exploit. In addition to that there are the existing fissures along race lines that exist in our society which were also available to leverage. Audio files doing the rounds encouraged people to attack and destroy what are perceived to be white and white owned businesses. In the end though, many black businesspeople also suffered considerable losses.
The gameplan was to create a situation which would force the hand of the current government. Ideally, it would result in an overreaction by the security forces, with the result that many of the poor and vulnerable would be killed (which is what happened at Marikana a few years back). If that occurred, it would likely force the resignation or removal of Cyril Ramaphosa as president. Meaning the Jacob Zuma camp would have achieved their objective. This is one reason why the security forces have been so careful not to use excessive force in dealing with the riots and the looters.
While there is still a lot of instability in KwaZulu Natal and certain pockets in Gauteng, what is now starting to emerge quite clearly is that the gambit by the Jacob Zuma camp has failed. South African society of all walks has turned its face against this insurrection. In effect, an attempted coup has failed.
South Africans are a strange nation in many ways. They argue and fight amongst themselves but when pushed to the edge, they always pull together for the common good. This has happened again and again over the decades.
This has been perhaps a necessary test of our democracy and of the rule of law. Make no mistake but that South Africa has many very real challenges. But South Africa will pass through this and will put the locust years behind it.β
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CR7 gets too much credit without actually having done anything...seldom has a person known so little about so much and gets a pass for his ignorance or incompetence...
He is a party to the original state capture...the deals done with big business at Codesa...the same big business that benefitted and bankrolled the apartheid state and were best positioned to take advantage of the opportunities that came with the opening of the economy post apartheid...
Trade union leader to "billionaire" BEE beneficiary...nothing built, nothing created...lol...
CR7 is acceptable to many because he is compared to JZ and the fear of what comes after CR7 just like people praise the ANC by comparing them to the apartheid state...why are our standards so low? We set the comparative benchmark so low that the current can easily be seen as better rather than assessing current against what could have been without people putting self interest before the country...
CR7 has had many opportunities during his term first as deputy president, in charge of Eskom war room, head of deployment committee, trying to keep ANC unified to the detriment of the country, keeping so many Zuma supporters in his cabinets, keeping people who benefitted from PPE and Chinese coronavirus tenders until his hand was forced to put them on the sidelines, etc , etc...
We, as a country, as taxpayers, should demand and get better leaders rather than the wastes that let our towns and cities be destroyed because they have no b_lls...or waiting endlessly for it to be handed back to them before being able to act decisively for the benefit of all that live in this otherwise beautiful land tainted by thieves that masquerade as leaders...we see them and they know it and their smug arrogance makes them think they are untouchable...the wheel turns and the balance sheet of one's own life balances perfectly so I look forward to seeing their downfall and will silently smile when it comes to be...
Stay safe and healthy my fellow Clanners...we've had many long, tiring nights protecting our town and make no apologies for the words I used as it is my "lived experience"...a favourite term used by leftists to ignore any criticism of their dumb policies and the ANC is as id10tic as leftists can get...just today, the police in Tongaat wanted to arrest the volunteers guarding and the owners of the sole shop left to supply food to the town as they had not been looted in the last week...how many looters arrested for the looting of all the other shops in Tongaat? Zero...so we know who the id10ts are...
He is a party to the original state capture...the deals done with big business at Codesa...the same big business that benefitted and bankrolled the apartheid state and were best positioned to take advantage of the opportunities that came with the opening of the economy post apartheid...
Trade union leader to "billionaire" BEE beneficiary...nothing built, nothing created...lol...
CR7 is acceptable to many because he is compared to JZ and the fear of what comes after CR7 just like people praise the ANC by comparing them to the apartheid state...why are our standards so low? We set the comparative benchmark so low that the current can easily be seen as better rather than assessing current against what could have been without people putting self interest before the country...
CR7 has had many opportunities during his term first as deputy president, in charge of Eskom war room, head of deployment committee, trying to keep ANC unified to the detriment of the country, keeping so many Zuma supporters in his cabinets, keeping people who benefitted from PPE and Chinese coronavirus tenders until his hand was forced to put them on the sidelines, etc , etc...
We, as a country, as taxpayers, should demand and get better leaders rather than the wastes that let our towns and cities be destroyed because they have no b_lls...or waiting endlessly for it to be handed back to them before being able to act decisively for the benefit of all that live in this otherwise beautiful land tainted by thieves that masquerade as leaders...we see them and they know it and their smug arrogance makes them think they are untouchable...the wheel turns and the balance sheet of one's own life balances perfectly so I look forward to seeing their downfall and will silently smile when it comes to be...
Stay safe and healthy my fellow Clanners...we've had many long, tiring nights protecting our town and make no apologies for the words I used as it is my "lived experience"...a favourite term used by leftists to ignore any criticism of their dumb policies and the ANC is as id10tic as leftists can get...just today, the police in Tongaat wanted to arrest the volunteers guarding and the owners of the sole shop left to supply food to the town as they had not been looted in the last week...how many looters arrested for the looting of all the other shops in Tongaat? Zero...so we know who the id10ts are...
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3 years 10 months ago
You donβt understand. That dog from Nkandla and his friends tried to execute a coup. With all his faults Cyril needs our support. There is no alternative or do you believe in Juju or that doos Uneducated Johnny?
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3 years 10 months agoMossel wrote: Mike he won't set a foot there because he doesn't care,he only pretends to care when the camera is on him why wasn't the army on the scene Saturday morning already. The most fucked up thing is now the people must pay R40 a loaf that cost 11 at shoprite if you work it out the % bread has gone up is more than the % illegal booze has gone up that's wrong its one of the country's staple foods how can can this be right but we thank you big chief. This is wrong cyril has failed everybody in this country its time for him to go but I don't know if that will even help the next chef will in all probability be even worse and then the mass still vote for these okes myself I don't know how the anc get this right or maybe it shows the intelligence of the voters I don't know
Who will replace him you dum clown
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Re: Fears and thoughts in South Africa
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In a nutshell. This is the final fight for the future of South Africa. If cr wins the decade of state capture is reversed. If jz wins well Zimbabwe here we come.
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In a nutshell. This is the final fight for the future of South Africa. If cr wins the decade of state capture is reversed. If jz wins well Zimbabwe here we come.
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3 years 10 months agothe duke wrote: And YES.... CYRIL has failed us.
Deftly side-stepped the volatile hotspots like Phoenix and Kwa Mashu
during his visit .
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This dumb clown may not know much but atleast I won't make my name ass on notional tv
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