Fears and thoughts in South Africa

mikesack wrote:

the duke wrote: And YES.... CYRIL has failed us.

Deftly side-stepped the volatile hotspots like Phoenix and Kwa Mashu
during his visit .

Security reasons. At least try to see beyond your nose.

Flowers wrote: You don’t understand. That dog from Nkandla and his friends tried to execute a coup. With all his faults Cyril needs our support. There is no alternative or do you believe in Juju or that doos Uneducated Johnny?


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CR7 is halfway through his term...ANC national elective conference next year...the Magashule / Mabuza faction are busy stacking the branches that determine the delegates for the conference...

There is no solution that benefits SA except for a split in the ANC (be it along tribal lines or between "constitutionalists" (lol as none in the ANC believe in the compromise that is the constitution) / state capture disciples (where is CR7 on that one as he was a beneficiary of the original state capture) and yet CR7 is doing everything to keep the crooks together...that was his stated mission at the very start of his leadership of the ANC and he showed nought care for SA as a whole...

Good luck with placing your faith in CR7...

I am sure we have all been bombarded by numerous comments on social media, but don't think we should be calling each other names as we agree or disagree with different views.

I am just glad that eventually the Government has woken up and appears to be taking some overdue decisive action.

We are ALL in this shit together and hopefully things can improve but it's a long road to recovery 💪🙏

Lionel wrote:

mikesack wrote:

the duke wrote: And YES.... CYRIL has failed us.

Deftly side-stepped the volatile hotspots like Phoenix and Kwa Mashu
during his visit .

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Security reasons. At least try to see beyond your nose.

Yes. If you removed the blinkers you would have seen that he was in Bridge City which is in KwaMashu.
Bridge City could be the most looted place in Mashu.

No security concerns there ?

@TN:

Step 1: Remove CR
Step 2: ?

Lionel wrote: @TN:

Step 1: Remove CR
Step 2: ?

@Lionel...show me a post where I said that CR7 must be replaced as I know that within the current ANC, options are non-existent...I've pointed out his incompetence on so many issues and that he will likely be replaced at the next ANC elective conference...so to put faith in some-one like that, in an intact / unified ANC, is, in my opinion, folly as they have at most 2 years in which to make significant changes and that is not anywhere long enough with the cumulative problems we have...

What he should have done is doing what is right for SA even if it splits the ANC (like having the army act against the thugs even though they are ANC members) and then more moderates of all hues will join his agenda...hell, even I'll go and join an ANC branch to improve conference numbers...he'll get the support while he still has power in the ANC (after any split) rather than after he is removed by the ANC...when he'll go back to being a "successful businessman"...

His unity agenda has just let the criminals continue looting the public coffers and he has little ethical / moral basis on which to oppose them when he has already extracted his benefits for his part in the "struggle"...others want theirs...remember "We didn't struggle to be poor."...

The split works while the numbers are on his side...the split doesn't work if it goes to the next ANC elective conference...either the crooks are going to feel "cold on the outside" if done now or the CR7 faction are going to be on the outside after the next elective conference...just over a year away...Gwede Mantashe is the wild-card as he has presidential ambitions and will side with the Magashule / Mabuza group if it will eventually get him there...

Just offering my opinion and I'm fine if criticised for it...branches determine delegates and delegates determine ANC leaders...control the branches and you control the ANC and that is where Magashule and Mabuza and Mantashe are concentrating their efforts while all the litigation targeting Zumaites occupies airtime...

Lionel wrote: @TN:

Step 1: Remove CR
Step 2: ?

I had a dream......That Dr Imtiaz Sooliman was the President.
And Leon Schuster was Deputy-President.
When I woke up I realised it was only a pipe dream.

I believe in playing the hand that you are dealt. The ANC is the ruling party. The chances of that changing in my lifetime is close to zero. So the question i ask is, who from the ANC, would I want at the helm?

Lionel wrote: I believe in playing the hand that you are dealt. The ANC is the ruling party. The chances of that changing in my lifetime is close to zero. So the question i ask is, who from the ANC, would I want at the helm?

Within the current ANC, CR7 is going to find it extremely difficult to be re-elected because Magashule (SG) / Mabuza (DP)/ Mantashe (??) (Chair) have focused their efforts on the branches who determine the delegates who determine the ANC elections...that's all I'm saying...

If its any one of those 3, then its lights out for SA. That is why CR must purge the ANC.

Tn your analysis makes a lot of sense. What I think you are missing is the precariousness of crs position. In order to impose his will on the anc he has to do it legally not politically. As you have highlighted he will not win at branch level so he has to remove the ret faction by locking them up. Surely this insurrection has handed the ret to him on a silver platter as he can easily prosecte without a bad political backlash.

jim wrote: Tn your analysis makes a lot of sense. What I think you are missing is the precariousness of crs position. In order to impose his will on the anc he has to do it legally not politically. As you have highlighted he will not win at branch level so he has to remove the ret faction by locking them up. Surely this insurrection has handed the ret to him on a silver platter as he can easily prosecte without a bad political backlash.

Many thanks...CR7 is a little bit stronger now than at last elective conference but if it goes to the next elective conference with the ANC "unified", he's gone...

And now, there is not enough time to rid the ANC of the RET faction legally as they will use the Zuma tactics of dragging the legal processes out...only need to drag it out till end of next year when elective conference takes place...

In putting his self preservation first and the ANC unity before what is best for SA, CR7 has wasted 2-3 years of his ANC leadership by keeping many Zumaites in some form of power and in a position to do what they need to at branch level...the Zumaites will not waste a second purging the ANC of CR7's faction (which is replete with people who blow with the wind and will ditch him the minute their self-interests are compromised / threatened) when they get back in power...and that is what he should have done from the start...